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largest seizure of this kind of drug at any point of entry. there you have it. republican-led senate pass aid measure highly critical of president trump's push to withdraw troops from syria and afghanistan. update there. i'm brooke baldwin. thanks for being with me. the lead request jake tapper starts now. negotiating with the taliban and kim jong un but not backing the people who advise him on those threats. "the lead" starts right now. >> the president had a chance to give them a vote of confidence today. instead he continued to clobber his own top intelligence officials only because they gave the honest assessment of the threats they saw, the ones that president trump apparently didn't want us to hear. jared kushner, michael flynn, jeff sessions. chris christie is going after all the president's men. who will he go after next? governor christie joins me live this hour. plus, billionaire candidate tweeting a link to racist and
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mysoginistic attacks on women and it's not the billionaire you think it is. welcome to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. president trump refusing to say today whether he has confidence in the director of national intelligence, dan coates or in cia director gina haspel after they contradicted his statements on security threats facing the united states. their assessments at odds with his on north carolina, isis, russia and iran. >> do you still have confidence in gina haspel and dan coates to give you good advice? >> i disagree with certain things they've said. i think i'm right but time will prove that. time will prove me right probably. >> mr. trump repeating that he does not believe a deal can be reached by the february 15th deadline between the house and senate negotiators, trying to come up with a compromise on border security. the president insisting he will take nothing short of a wall on the southern border,
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contradicting myriad times he said he would accept steel slats or fencing or some sort of barrier, all leading up to the possibility of another government shutdown. abby philip you heard asking the president that question there begins our coverage from the white house. >> i don't expect much coming out of the committee. >> reporter: president trump throwing cold water today on the prospects that a bipartisan group of lawmakers will strike a deal to avert another government shutdown. >> if they don't give us a wall, it doesn't work. >> this, after house speaker nancy pelosi threw her own cold water on the possibility that a final deal will include wall funding. >> there is not going to be any wall money in the legislation. >> she expressed openness to other kinds of barrier. >> if the president wants to call about a wall, they can call it a wall. he is referencing that we already have almost 700 miles of wall. so, again, is there a place for enhanced fencing? >> trump telling pelosi point
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blank, no deal. she did say she would be open to other kinds of physical barriers. would you accept that? >> no because if there's no wall, it doesn't work. she's just playing games. if you go to tijuana and take down that wall, you will have so many people coming into our country that nancy pelosi will be begging for a wall. she'll be begging for a wall. she will say, mr. president, plea please, please give us a wall. >> reporter: less than one week after the government reopened, prospects of a new shutdown seem at an all-time high as trump defends the last one that ended without his border wall. >> if i didn't do the shutdown, people wouldn't know. they wouldn't understand the subject. now they understand the subject. they realize what a humanitarian crisis it is. it's sort of -- it's called, like in deal making, setting the table. >> reporter: his other negotiating tactic, building the wall through executive action, which remains a top option. >> february 15th the committee will come back. if they don't have a wall, i
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don't even want to waste my time reading what they have because it's a waste of time. >> reporter: all this as trump turns his fire in public and private on his intelligence chiefs, specifically dan coates and cia director gina haspel, who seem to contradict him over and over again on capitol hill this week. the president saying this today, when asked if he still had confidence in coates and haspel. >> i disagree with certain things that they said. i think i'm right but time will prove that. time will prove me right probably. >> reporter: shortly after president trump made those comments in the oval office, he received his daily intelligence briefing from dan coates and gina haspel. a few minutes ago he told reporters, including our pamela brown, he had a chance to talk to coates and haspel about their congressional testimony. according to the president, they claim they were misquoted and reports about their testimony were fake news. that's interesting, considering
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their testimony was played as they said it on videotape, jake. >> sure would be. thanks so much. david urban, let me play some of what senator lindsey graham just said regarding the president's public rebuke of his own intelligence chiefs. >> i don't like that in the sense that if you have a problem with the intel community, go talk to them in your office and you don't want to air dirty laundry that would send the wrong signals out there to people we're trying to persuade. in my view that wasn't the right move to make. >> tough to disagree with. praise in public, punish in private. holds true here. what the president was trying to state about this intelligence briefing is that he has a macro perspective on it and the director of the cia and dan coates have a micro perfect secretaryive. president saying since i started talking to kim jong-un, missiles
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aren't getting launched across the sea of japan. there's this ongoing dialogue in front of iran. whether they'll comply with the deal, not comply with the deal in the long run. it wasn't as microas it was at the hearing but senator graham is right. he shouldn't knock these guys in public. >> here is what my reporting showed. essentially, the president didn't watch the testimony as they were happening in real time. he watched the coverage the next morning. headline was intelligence chiefs contradict the president. he saw that and then they played the snippets of dan coates saying that north korea ultimately is very unlikely to give up its nuclear weapons, isis is not defeated. he saw those snippets and that aggravated the president the most. he gets brief bid dan coates, same with gina haspel. so he know what is their assessments are and knows that they disagree.
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it's public. it's the coverage. it's the negativity that they are contradicting him that irritated him so much. i was told when we reported last night that the president had singled out dan coates. they didn't expect him to be leave or fired and as abby noted, he was back at the white house. >> i think it's headline more than substance. >> my colleague, pam brown, is reporting that several security officials say while they don't like the president attacking the intel chiefs, they're not paying much notice. it doesn't carry the same weight as it used to as to when he compared the intelligence agencies to nazi germany. >> he's not comparing them to nazis, so i guess that is an improvement, yeah. but at this point, it's kind of par for the course, especially on foreign policy. often you hear in this administration president trump saying one thing and people under him or other officials will be saying something totally different. when it comes to north korea, it does seem like president trump is trying to sell this idea of what is possible. and i did talk to some experts today who say yes, like what dan
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coates said is true. >> but they're not likely. >> right now they're not likely but you can work towards something, that it's not completely impossible. that may be what president trump is trying to sell. and that's what he's promoting. but that's not coates' job to promote. >> in a letter to the director of national intelligence, dan coates, quote, i believe it is encumbent upon you, director wray and director haspel to impress upon him to speak in a unified and accurate voice about national security threats. not likely to happen. >> not likely to happen. the position that the president has with intel chiefs -- these are his people. he hires the best people, okay? it's important to note that the issue he has is not merely an issue of opinion.
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these are issues of facts. the president is saying that the facts that the intel chiefs presented at the briefing yesterday are facts he doesn't agree with and, in essence, are facts that are incorrect. i don't think that's debatable. we have not seen the president come out and say i agree with the intel chiefs. but their stachlts are rooted in fact. >> the iran deal versus iran at large. so the iran deal is being complied with. you heard the dcia say in the letter of the law -- >> they're preparing -- >> they're preparing to possibly withdraw. the president says i don't like the iran deal to begin with. so the president doesn't like it. >> that's not what he's saying, though, david urban. he has yet to present us with the nuance you have at this table and that's problematic. >> interesting aspect of this, we've known for two years there's a big divide between essentially what the
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intelligence shows, what these intelligence chiefs say about north korea and the white house's rosie assessment that they believe north korea will give up their weapons. mike pompeo knows what gina haspell and those were testifying about the other day and now he's in the position of promoting the president's agenda and setting up the second summit. it is interesting to see someone who knows the intelligence that gina haspel does, yet mike pompeo is in charge of meeting with these officials and setting up another meeting with the president. >> he responded to speaker pelosi, saying that democrats are not going to fund a wall. >> i was elected, partially on this issue. >> but what if they do some funding for steel slats or fencing or some sort of barrier? >> the president has been all over the place when it comes to this. it was a big walkback when it
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comes to steel slats. he got elected on a wall and not steel slats. the big question is the white house seems to be wanting to have it both ways. one hand, president trump wants to say i'm doing something that no one else has ever done before. i'm going to get a wall and then saying if you replace fence that's a wall and you already voted for -- we already have hu hundreds of miles of fence and that's kind of like a wall but that's two totally different things and they have to make the case, why is this 234 miles of fence or 234 miles of wall going to be the difference differenbe utter devastation and peace and serenity? why is this 234 miles going to be the big difference? he says president trump blew it with the government shutdown and as a cowboys fan he's an expert on that topic. and governor chris christie joins us live next.
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a bipartisan group of lawmakers has a little more than two weeks to try to find a compromise on border wall funding and avoid a shutdown but president trump has little confidence that's going to happen. >> i don't think they're going to make a deal. i see what's happening. let's do this, but we're not giving him one dime for the wall. that's okay but if they're not going to give money for the wall, it's not going to work. and if it's not going to work, then the politicians are wasting a lot of time. >> a man who spent years bring by the president's side, a good friend of his, chris christie. he new bok is called "let me finish: trump, kushners, bannon new jersey and the power of in your face politics." would this indicate to you that
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the president hasn't learned from the last shutdown? >> i don't think we're headed for another shutdown. there are two alternatives. either they all come to a compromise where everybody gets something in order to be able to both advocate to their constituencies and save face or he's going to go to emergency action to build the wall that way and we'll wind up in court. i think the white house is clear on the idea, and congress by the way, is clear on the idea that another shutdown is no good. nobody wins. and the democrats skated pretty cleanly out of the last one. i don't think they'll skate cleanly out of this one because i think everybody will say, wait a second. you had three weeks to work this out. a pox on both your houses. >> do you think it's more likely it will be a compromise? >> no. i think it's more likely it will wind up going the emergency route because it seems to me that speaker pelosi, to some extent, has painted herself into the corner with how explicit she's being on the language. i understand she's leaving open room for slats and fencing and maybe that's where the
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compromise is. but i worked, as you know, with the democratic legislature for eight years. what i learned more than anything else about this stuff is everyone has to win. >> right or you don't get a deal. >> you don't get a deal or if you get one it's like scorched earth, you'll never get another one. >> interesting. in your book, you're very critical of a lot of people around the president, including jared kushner. how concerned are you about how the president and his team would deal with an actual serious crisis? assuming -- i'm defining that in a way that we haven't had one in a long time. >> right. i think it depends on what it is and who are the subject matter experts that he has around him besides the white house staff, right? it seems to me if you had a foreign policy crisis, you still have a very solid team of people there. mike pompeo is a very good secretary of state. i think john bolton is a very good and knowledgeable national security adviser. i still think you have a solid group of people to lead in that area. you know, in places in the
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economy, i think you've got a good guy in steve mnuchin at treasury, despite what the president says some times acres good fed chairman who understands how to manage an economic crisis. so i think the subject matter experts are there. the problem is it's the day-to-day management of the white house that's happened over the course of time that doesn't let you hit the singles. it's the doubles you need to hit. >> especially when you see things like president trump attacking mr. coates, director of national intelligence, miss haspel, the director of the cia, et cetera. rougher concerned about his regard for experts? he seems to have very little regard for them when he says things that he doesn't like. >> i think in his words at times it's that but in his actions it's different. let's take syria, for instance. he made bold statements on syria. then he spoke to mr. pompeo and bolton and walked it back a bit. same with afghanistan. he walked it back a bit. knowing him as long as i do,
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sometimes words and actions don't match and it's much more important to watch the actions than it is to listen to the words. >> let me talk about your book "let me finish." it's a very good book. >> thank you. >> there's a part that really struck me. let's go back to the 2016 primaries. after you got the endorsement of the new hampshire union leader, candidate trump became very angry about it and in a speech to voters, he said that you knew all about bridgegate ahead of time, which you repeatedly have said is false and there's no evidence to the contrary. you write, quote, i had no problem with hardball politics. i had some talent about that myself, but knowingly lying because you were pissed that someone else got a newspaper endorsement, you don't do that to anyone, let alone a friend of longstanding. so my question is, why would you then work so hard for somebody as you campaigned and also as
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the president who publicly lied about you, betrayed your friendship, never apologized. he called a truce but never apologized and never took it back publicly. >> there's some incraaccuracies there. >> okay. >> i was in iowa that evening. i hit him very hard in iowa. the next day corey lewandowski asked for a truce. i said if he wants a truce he has to call me directly. he called me directly and said i apologize. i know i went over the line. that isn't right. let's not have you and i fighting over stuff like that. he's a friend for 14 years. it's hardball politics. i was not happy about it. believe me. on the other hand if somebody apologizes you have to decide, do you accept the apology or don't you?
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i accepted the apology. people can second guess me but i had other fish to fry and i wanted to run my campaign the way i wanted to and not having one eye on exacting some kind of revenge against him. >> that apology you mentioned, that's not in the book. >> well, listen, if i didn't write it in the book -- it did happen so -- >> he did apologize? >> yeah, he did. >> you have been clear when president trump has said and done things. you write about this in the book and talk about it publicly, that offended you or you disagree with. action ex-hollywood tape you write about in the book. the very fine people on both sides in charlottesville you criticized publicly. do you ever worry -- you've been in public life for a long time. >> yep. >> do you ever worry about your legacy now being defined by somebody who says and does things that you would never do? >> no because when i disagree, i say it. you know, as i write in the book, i got called in to talk to him about the judge curial situation and worked with him to put out a statement to defuse that situation and end it.
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i got called in by the family to speak to him and bring him off that subject and on to things that are more productive. >> great scene where you said are we running against the khans now or hillary clinton? >> right. i know that's a role i play. when i've been confronted with something or he does something publicly i disagree with, i say it. with the shutdown i said that's not a good idea either. the people who listen know when i disagree and i'm not shy about it. but there are some people who want the narrative you laid out there to just be the narrative. and for those people you're never going to convince them anyway. just be yourself, which i've always been. when you look at this book, it's very candid about the president, people around him. about myself. >> about your life, absolutely. >> yes. >> you've been skeptical that the mueller probe will result in any sort of proof of conspiracy between anyone on the trump team and the russians. >> yes. >> you say you don't know. let's wait and see, but have been skeptical of it. you also said it's far more likely that the u.s. district attorney in the southern
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district of new york case will be more problematic for trump than the mueller probe. >> yep. >> what is it about that investigation that makes you feel like it could possibly cause even more legal problems for the president? >> just because of the scope of it, right? their entry into the investigations into michael cohen who, for a decade or more, was the president's lawyer and, in fact, was an employee of the trump organization. and so once you get in that door -- what i always say to people when you let the feds in your front door and say hey we just want to see if you have a gun on the coffee table. you don't have one. you let them in. wait, do i see something in the kitchen? what do i hear upstairs? >> something smells funny. >> once you let them in the house, it's over. that's exactly right. the house they're letting him in, in the southern district of new york, is the trump organization over the last 40 years with the tour guide being michael cohen. i don't think i would ever be comfortable even with a business that tried to do everything right and did everything right to have 40 years of your history
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being looked at. that should make anybody uncomfortable. maybe somebody screwed up something you don't know. it's much more dangerous, much more treacherous. i don't think the russian conspiracy angle is there. if it is we're going to know pretty soon, i suspect. but this is the one -- the southern district is the one that if i were him would be the one that has me staring at the ceiling at night. >> i don't know too many new york real estate firms that could withstand that scrutiny. don junior and phone calls made around that infamous trump tower meeting with the russian lawyer where donald trump jr. was promised dirt on hillary clinton. isn't what goes into your soup... just as important as what you get out of it? our broccoli cheddar is made with aged melted cheddar, simmered broccoli,
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father, according to three sources with knowledge of the matter talking to cnn. these are records provided to the senate intelligence committee that show the calls were between trump junior and two of his business associates and this is significant, jake, because this new information appears to contradict democrats' long-held suspicions that the blocked number was from then candidate donald trump and that that would show if it was true that he did have knowledge of the meeting at trump tower. so this information came to light recently, jake, and it could answer one of those key questions. as i said, over the meeting of trump's eldest son don junior had set up to get russian dirt on the clinton campaign. blocked numbers have been lingering issues as investigators have probed the meeting and whether trump himself had advanced knowledge through any means of that meeting. we should note, jake, that don junior's attorney did not provide a comment for our story. >> pamela, let's go to manu raju right now. remind us how we got here and
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why democrats had these suspicions that don junior was talking to his father. >> timing of the calls raise the suspicion, jake, three days before that trump tower meeting in 2016 was set up, donald trump jr. had a phone call with a russian pop star, involved in setting up the meeting and he talked to him on june 6th and immediately afterwards, about 23 minutes after that phone call, there was a phone call that donald trump jr. had with an individual with a blocked number. it lasted four minutes long and afterwards trump junior once again called agilarov. two hours later, trump junior had another phone call with a blocked number. democrats have said it's interesting because the fact that the president himself, then candidate trump, had a blocked number, according to corey lewandowski's own testimony before the house intelligence
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committee. he said that trump's primary residence has a blocked number. democrats have raised questions about whether or not it was president trump that spoke with donald trump jr. trump junior testified that he did not recall the individual with whom he spoke with. that's one reason why they asked if thches his father. turns out it was not, according to the information given to the senate intelligence committee. >> manu raju on capitol hill, pam loo brown ela brown. let's talk about this with my experts and governor chris christie, who has been kind enough to join the panel. >> that's good news for don junior. one of the things that i love about the mueller investigation and have hated about all the political commentary around it is that bob mueller went to capitol hill, leak central. it's gotten leaked out. mueller has known this, you have to believe, for a very long time. this is why people need to just take a breath on all this stuff.
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bob mueller knows more than any of us at this table, on capitol hill and will act on it when it's appropriate to act on it. meantime, people's reputations get damaged and don junior's has gotten damaged, it appears, unnecessarily. if you trust bob mueller, and i do, then let's let him do his job and when the conclusion comes, we'll all be able to evaluate it and evaluate it fairly. and that's what we should do. >> symone, i suspect you don't think that this ab solves donald trump jr. around the trump meeting. >> he was in the meeting with the russians. he did, in fact, take the meeting. and i know from being a staffer on multiple campaigns that you do not take meetings with any foreign government, any foreign entities, any foreign representatives. you alert the fbi. you alert the authorities. so this doesn't absolve don junior with much. i do agree with governor christie in the respect that we are all pontificating about the mueller investigation. we only know what we know and
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far too many of us don't know a lot. i'm someone who is like let the investigation play itself out because i believe where there is smoke, there is fire and i think there is fire in this thing, jake. there is fire in that meeting and it will eventually come out. >> there's no pontificating there. >> let the fire come. >> democrats have suspicions and mueller has facts. >> it's interesting also why donald trump jr.'s lawyer didn't just reveal this information in an earlier date. that has what has been a lot of the fire for those democratic lawmakers who suspect that he did something wrong, why he wouldn't just reveal who the phone call was to instead it came out this way. i do think a lot of the reason that people talk so much about the mueller report, there's a lot of criticism, media speculation, speculation from lawmakers. a lot of it has to do with what the president says about it. it is something that does loom over the white house at times. sometimes when the president is in an especially irritated mood about it, that's something that staffers know to stay out of his way because he's so angry about that. he speculates about it. he talks about it a lot himself.
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the president's factor in that plays a big role in it. >> it is true that democrats were talking up a lot this blocked number phone call as if this was the smoking gun and this was proof that president trump was lying, that he knew such and such and it appears that that has just disappeared now. it's wrong. >> yeah. the blocked number that was definitely something that people were curious about. and you would be curious about. and people have been curious about would don junior tell his father about this meeting? why wouldn't he tell him about this meeting if he thought it was okay if maybe they just didn't think it was a big deal? so there have been questions about that. so this being something that they can pull out and say, look, he did not have -- these calls were not with his father. that is definitely something that the president and others will be able to point to, to say you guys were accusing us of something and that was not true. >> by the way, the reason that the lawyer doesn't tell everybody is cause if you start there, where do you stop? >> that's true. >> there's privilege between the
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lawyer and the client. if you start giving out some stuff there may be stuff you have that you don't want to give out. if you start to breach that privilege by leaking stuff out of there -- you're better off, if the lawyer -- no matter what the lawyer is, whether he's confident that the client is okay or if he's concerned that his client isn't, the lawyer's job is to make sure he keeps those confidences and let the process play out and defends his client in court, if ultimately that's where he has to go, as best he can. >> we've seen that. his legal team did not tell the truth time and time again about what that meeting was about. they were first confronted by the "new york times" they were going to report about the meeting they said it was about russian adoptions. then information came out as it was reported and then they were confirming it. >> do you think there's ever a degree to which maybe people on the donald trump jr. side of things want democrats to overplay their hand, knowing that they have information that is actually exculpatory or a lot more innocent? >> i don't think so. >> no. >> they want it to be over.
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there's nothing positive about this. i mean, this is great news for donald junior on this one discreet issue. none of this is good. all it does is distract from the president's ability to do his job. as you said, it irritates the president to no end. there is nothing that -- and there's lots of stuff that frustrates this president but there is nothing that frustrates him more than the mueller investigation. and so i don't think they're trying to play any games. i've got to tell you the truth, this is more. when i've seen him talk about mueller, he absolutely believes that he had nothing to do with any russians and nobody did. so he feels like, you know, this is unjust. mike chael cohen thing runs on separate track and he believes that's based on michael cohen's wrong doing and what will happen will happen. they don't want to play any games with this. they want it over. >> so many people have been indicted about the conversations and their interactions around the russians with the russians,
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and so how at this point can the president feel as though this is an unjust situation? frankly a situation we're only in because he fired james comey? >> that's not why we're in the situation. >> the special counsel. >> he blames it on jeff sessions not recusing himself or not telling the president he was going to recuse himself. >> right. what you needed from the beginning was an attorney general capable of handling this. the single best biggest thing in the fall of 2016 we were talking about this, pre-election and post-election. jeff sessions says i would like to be attorney general. by the way, i'll have to recuse on russia. little bit of important information you might want to tell the guy who is giving you the job. then you have a deputy attorney general running the investigation. people aren't as confident as they would be. then jim comey gets fired. then you get bob mueller. the investigation long preceded jim comey getting fired. >> i want to be clear, there was no special counsel. there was no bob mueller until -- the facts support there
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was no bob mueller until the president fired james comey. >> but there was an investigation. >> solely because he fired james comey. >> no. there was an investigation. that investigation would have continued no matter what. i know rod rosenstein. i worked with him for four years when he was assistant of maryland and i was in new jersey. he's the guy who picked bob mueller. he could have picked anybody and he picked a killer. he picked a trained assassin to be the special counsel, okay? rod rosenstein is not soft on this at all. >> it's bob mueller that keeps trump up at night. >> we're going to keep this panel here, this group of experts. if you're going to run against trump for president in 2020, you might want to learn how to use twitter. stay with us. ♪ ♪hold on, i'm comin' ♪hold on, i'm comin' ♪hold on don't you worry,♪
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he's not in the 2020 presidential race officially but howard schultz is getting roasted. he has seemed to ascribe to the old ad anl there's no such thing as bad publicity. >> reporter: howard schultz, former starbucks ceo and would-be independent candidate for president giving lessons for pitfalls of campaigning in the digital age. >> i don't want to get in the mud with anybody. >> reporter: deleting a tweet that praised his run for office. the article referred to kamala harris as shrill and called elizabeth warren pocahontas.
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>> did you not realize that he made those comments? >> no, i did not. >> the two-party system is the problem, he says. democrats remain skeptical, worried that an independent bid by schultz could repeat ralph nader's performance in the 2000. >> to create fresh political movements that will displace the control of the republican and democratic parties. >> reporter: his vote more than eclipsed george bush's margin of victory over al gore. the democratic field is taking shape. former congressman beto o'rourke is avoiding questions, saying he won't talk to reporters until he makes a decision, yet has an interview scheduled with oprah next week and popular senator sherrod brown, dignity of work tour wednesday in his native ohio, where he did not hold back
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in his criticism of president trump. >> donald trump has used his phony populism to divide americans and demonize immigrants. >> reporter: brown's tour continues in iowa with future stops planned . their argument, he's getting plenty of attention and is now a big part of the conversation. they also believe the more he gets hammered by both republicans and democrats that it will only help to shape his image as an outsider, appealing to independent voters. jake? >> ryan, thank you so much. we're back with the experts and governor christie is still with us to talk about the 2020 race. a remind er, his new book "let e finish" is in stores now. it's a gripping read. okay. because you like to pride yourself on candor -- >> yeah. >> -- candidly, who in the democrat field concerns you? who do you think might be able to defeat president trump? >> vice president biden, because
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he's going to be able to potentially appeal to the white working class voters in pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin, ohio that determined this race in 2016. and i think more than any of the other candidates right now, he has the potential to do that. now, i will give this caveat to it. you know the lights in the presidential campaign are the brightest lights in the world. only two options under those lights, you shine or you melt. we'll see what all these folks do, including joe biden who, by the way, despite me just saying he has the best chance, is 0 for 2 running for president. >> right. >> so, you know, he has said some pretty -- donald trump helps him with some of the really bold things that the president says. >> that's a word for it. >> people forget some of the really bold things joe biden has said in presidential races before. but right now if you're on the trump side, as i am, the guy you look at and say who is most likely, the guy or woman who
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will most likely give us trouble in wisconsin, michigan, ohio, pennsylvania? you've got to say at the moment it's joe biden. >> i, for one, i think vice president biden and whomever else gets in the race we need to have a robust primary on democratic side of the aisle and we've got great democrats to jump on the side of the race, not the previous gentleman. >> howard schultz. you're not going to mention his name? >> run, howard, run. >> so i have to say that speaks to a fundamental misunderstanding what also was happening in 2016. in 2016, a number of folks on the democratic side of the aisle did not come out, particularly young african-american voters, young latino voters and folks needed in milwaukee, in michigan, in pennsylvania. those voters come out in 2020 as they did in 2018 in a lot of places, i think the electorate looks different. had those voters come out in 2016, hillary clinton would be president right now. >> the president is focusing on two people, joe biden and elizabeth warren. that's why you've seen him
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criticize them so much. those are his two primary worries. but it's interesting because some of his aides in his campaign and even inside the white house are worried more about a generational challenger, kamala harris, that presents different than donald trump. that's becoming an increasing more concern for aides. the president is focused on joe biden and elizabeth warren. >> ayesha, reaching out to beto o'rourke, who said i'm not doing interviews right now. not ready to speak to reporters until i've made a decision about what's next. but he is doing an interview with oprah next week. >> that's a much bigger platform right there. >> not a reporter. >> good point. >> who can kind of electrify like the younger voters, get them out there, people of color, black people? have these people come out and get them to go to the polls? that would have made a
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difference in that last presidential election. >> sure. >> do you get that by playing to the middle? is this a moment where people want something bigger, something bolder? they don't want like the status quo? >> i think symone and i will agree on the fact that whoever that person is, it ain't beto o'rourke. >> come on, governor. >> i know you. >> whoever wants to run for president, they should run for president. if we're going to talk about beto, why not talk about stacey abrams? >> beto o'rourke doesn't understand the reason he raised so much money, he was running against ted cruz not because people loved him. people wanted to take out ted cruz. 15, 20 people in the race and it will be a whole different thing raising that money than when he was running against ted cruz. >> governor christie, thank you for being here. "let me finish," a good read. stick around. one of the few areas that republicans are standing up to the president publicly.
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breaking news now. moments ago, president trump tweeting this image, in the oval office with his top intelligence officials saying they told him what they said at the senate hearing tuesday has been mischaracterized by the media, says we are very much in agreement on isis, iran, north korea and et cetera. their testimony was zpodistortey the press, he says. that's not accurate. this, after he told his intel
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chiefs to go back to school after they contradicted him at a public senate hearing. all the testimony is out there. the trump administration negotiates with the taliban and prepares for the president's plan as of now to withdrawal half of american forces from afghanistan. today, cnn has learned some at the pentagon think withdrawing that many service members would be a mistake. barbara starr reports that military leaders remain at the ready for any order from president trump to execute the plan. >> reporter: a plea tonight from afghanistan to president trump. don't remove u.s. forces as peace talks heat up between the trump administration and taliban without the afghan government being involved. afghan president offering in a letter to trump to reduce the costs for keeping u.s. troops in afghanistan, hoping it will appeal to the president. president trump says he would bring american troops home if a peace deal is reached with the
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taliban. >> first time they're talking about settling, talking about making an agreement and we bring our people back home if that happens. >> reporter: former u.s. ambassador warns of disaster. >> the fact that we are holding these talks without the afghan government in the room is a huge, dangerous concession for us. >> going so far as to call it a is youreneder in a washington post-op-ed this week. for now, there is no deal but there is plenty of talk that president trump may use the upcoming state of the union address to announce a draw down of up to half of the 14,000 u.s. troops currently serving there. some u.s. military troops tell cnn no drawdown should be announced without a cease fire and the plan to bring troops home is too steep a drop as security is fragile and the war
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remains a stalemate. >> we assessed neither the afghan government nor the taliban will be able to gain a strategic advantage in the afghan war in the coming year, even if coalition support remains at current levels. >> the pentagon and the intelligence community are not ready to give up too much. >> al qaeda is showing signs of confidence as its leaders work to strengthen its networks and encourage attacks against western interests. >> which has the cia director warning if an agreement is reached it needs to allow the u.s. to deal with any threats. >> a very robust monitoring regime would be critical and we would still need the capability to act in our national interest. >> late today the senate voted 68-23 for an amendment that was highly critical of president trump's efforts to potentially withdraw u.s. troops from both syria and afghanistan. who spont sponsored that amendment?
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republican senate majority leader mitch mcconnell, a real reflection that republicans may be getting uncomfortable that president trump is withdrawing from the world stage when terrorists are gaining strength. jake? >> barbara starr at the pentagon. thank you for that report. follow me on facebook, twitter and tweet us @the lead on cnn. thanks for watching. happening now, breaking news. emergency possible? if there's no money for the border wall, president trump says there's no deal to prevent a government shutdown and suggests he's ready to declare a national emergency when the current agreement expires in six weeks. i'm right. the president keeps insisting he's right and his intelligence chiefs are wrong about global threats. he now claims they were misquoted. blocked numbers. cnn exclusive. senate